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James Bond vs. Ender Wiggin [Aug. 22nd, 2007|08:46 am]
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Indiana Jones is victorious over Optimus Prime with a final score of 33 to 22.


James Bond
vs.
Ender Wiggin

Fight!




Poll #1043327
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

Who is victorious?

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James Bond
40 (67.8%)

Ender Wiggin
19 (32.2%)

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[User Picture]From: [info]belmikey
2007-08-22 02:18 pm (UTC)

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Bond, James Bond, but only if it's Sean Connery or Daniel Craig.
[User Picture]From: [info]michaellee
2007-08-22 02:29 pm (UTC)

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But since the image isn't one of those two....
[User Picture]From: [info]belmikey
2007-08-22 02:33 pm (UTC)

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I chose to ignore that fact and assume that Ethel just used the first image she could find :-)
[User Picture]From: [info]pants_of_doom
2007-08-22 02:56 pm (UTC)

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Wow, two characters I hate. I'm going with Bond, since I maintain Wiggin can't kill anyone on purpose, it's always this excusable accidental shit.
[User Picture]From: [info]goblinbee
2007-08-22 03:01 pm (UTC)

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Perhaps he can excusably, accidentally kill Bond?
[User Picture]From: [info]pants_of_doom
2007-08-22 03:50 pm (UTC)

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My vote is no, because he knows the situation going in.
[User Picture]From: [info]petsnakereggie
2007-08-22 03:04 pm (UTC)

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Based on what I've come to understand about Ender Wiggin, this contest should result in Bond becoming a greasy spot on the floor.

That ignores, however, the Bond mystique. Bond regularly goes up against guys who ought to clean the floor with him. He regularly walks into their lair, announces that he is Britain's most well known "secret" agent and despite the fact they should smack him down with their AK 47's and Uzi's, he pulls out his Walther PPK and some C4 he happens to have in his watch and blows them to kingdom come.

Bond faces master tacticians all the time and while Ender might be better than all of them - to the point of realizing he shouldn't talk to Bond for even a second, he should just kill the guy - and yet he won't be able to do it.

Bond simply can't be killed by anything so simple as an infallible plan. The only way he's going to die is if his sacrifice would somehow result in the preservation of millions of lives. Even then, you would think he was dead but he would somehow have had an inflatable bulletproof vest in his wallet and it would turn out he was just fine.

This is the classic battle between a master tactician and a guy who you can't plan for. I say the win goes to Bond.
[User Picture]From: [info]theseamster
2007-08-22 07:08 pm (UTC)

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You know what? I think the "Bond mystique" argument is pretty much dead at this point. Most of the remaining characters in this competition have some sort of similar point: Ender doesn't lose, so and so's a main character/hero character/whatever. So the mystique/hero/they pull something out of their ass thing is really outside of any applicable logic anymore, at least for me.
[User Picture]From: [info]petsnakereggie
2007-08-22 07:59 pm (UTC)

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Ah but isn't there an "Ender Mystique" as well?

That is my point, you see. We have the Ender "ultimate planner can figure his way out of anything" guy against the Bond "ultimate survivor who constantly gets himself into trouble but manages to improvise a way out of it" guy.

I pick the guy who manages to weasel his way out of trouble despite the elaborite plans of his adversary.
[User Picture]From: [info]theseamster
2007-08-22 08:25 pm (UTC)

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Ah, but you think I'm arguing against your vote... I am not, I voted for Bond. I am saying that the Bond or Ender mystique cancel each other out and become irrelevant in this case, so I'd go with Bond.

However, I'd also argue that the whole mystique argument is kinda crappy in this tournament. It's a little like saying, "Well, Indiana Jones has never lost and Optimus Prime has, albeit in a shitty movie version, so Indiana Jones would beat OP."

I think that in a logical approach to an actual fight to the death tournament of this nature, the usual concept of "mystique" would become almost irrelevant, as the arena is much more isolating and would leave them with little beyond their raw abilities.
[User Picture]From: [info]typhoid
2007-08-22 03:17 pm (UTC)

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Genetic superiority over mojo.
[User Picture]From: [info]xjere
2007-08-22 03:20 pm (UTC)

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...still have no idea who Wiggin is. And therefore, if I don't know him, he does not exist. Bond somehow wins this one.
[User Picture]From: [info]lucyruthe
2007-08-22 03:38 pm (UTC)

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James Bond will be distracted by the nearest set of tits and Ender will gut him instantly.
[User Picture]From: [info]hooper_x
2007-08-22 04:02 pm (UTC)

James Bond shoots the kid in the head, fucks his mom.

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I've given up on applying any sort of logic to who should win these things and I'm just going which whichever one gives me a bigger nostalgia hard-on.

That seems to be the way this thing works.

-hx
[User Picture]From: [info]laeryken
2007-08-22 05:53 pm (UTC)

Re: James Bond shoots the kid in the head, fucks his mom.

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Seriously, Prime losing to JONES?

-_-
[User Picture]From: [info]theseamster
2007-08-22 06:58 pm (UTC)

Re: James Bond shoots the kid in the head, fucks his mom.

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You are my new hero.
[User Picture]From: [info]robertrence
2007-08-23 03:23 am (UTC)

Re: James Bond shoots the kid in the head, fucks his mom.

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Yeah, I gotta say, that's the most sawying arguement I've heard all day.
[User Picture]From: [info]eyelid
2007-08-22 05:16 pm (UTC)

apparently I have a thing for underdogs

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Bond gets captured a lot and only survives because his captors are too dumb to shoot him in the head.

Ender is not too dumb.

Ender never loses.

From: [info]leepo
2007-08-22 05:32 pm (UTC)

Re: apparently I have a thing for underdogs

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The main and most profound statement here is that 'Ender never loses'
gotta go with the underdog here as well.
[User Picture]From: [info]nicholay
2007-08-22 05:36 pm (UTC)

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Well, I've never read the book, so I should abstain from voting. But I won't, because I just saw Dr. No the other night and I have a new appreciation for the awesomeness of James Bond. No one could possibly be badass enough to defeat Bond.
[User Picture]From: [info]laeryken
2007-08-22 05:54 pm (UTC)

Yup.

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Nobody beats Ender. Ender saves species and worlds and outsmarts humanity. Bond is part of humanity. The most awesome part of humanity, but I've never seen someone get captured quite as often as him.

He underestimates the kid and goes down for the count.
[User Picture]From: [info]petsnakereggie
2007-08-22 06:05 pm (UTC)

Re: Yup.

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He underestimates everyone and wins anyway.
[User Picture]From: [info]laeryken
2007-08-22 06:06 pm (UTC)

Re: Yup.

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Yes, but everyone underestimates Ender and he wins also.

Who wins, fire or water? Hot or cold? :P
[User Picture]From: [info]petsnakereggie
2007-08-22 07:57 pm (UTC)

Re: Yup.

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So they cancel each other out and the arena ceases to exist.
[User Picture]From: [info]manna_panna
2007-08-22 09:13 pm (UTC)

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As much as I hate to do it--Bond FTW.
I hate the movies and I hate the character, but when one's standard equipment includes a gun and an exploding clothing accessory, no child-genius is going to stop him.

Most of the time, I vote for a contestant based on if I can or when others can post a reasonable, entertaining and sometimes logical scenario for the fight. I think that's why this contest was started.
Every once in a while I'll vote to oppose a flimsy or annoying argument. Petty, I know, but sometimes it seems like people are just pulling reasons out of their ass.
[User Picture]From: [info]scotia_girl
2007-08-22 09:29 pm (UTC)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but...

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Based on standard equipment alone, Bond definitely has a gun, but I don't think Ender does. So Bond wins by shooting Ender.
[User Picture]From: [info]discoflamingo
2007-08-22 11:45 pm (UTC)

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Only voting Bond based on [info]ethel's previous point that Ender would surrender his life after his first match.
From: [info]mistoffo
2007-08-23 04:40 pm (UTC)

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Bond can easily fight in space. Or underwater. Or whatever the conditions. And especially in a standard arena, I think he would kick Ender's ass.